Dog Meat
I've actually eaten dog a few times before -- once in California, once in southern China, and in South Korea, but never as the focus of a meal. So I rounded up a few brave men for a trip out to "Koreatown" in Shanghai, where there are several restaurants specializing in dog meat. I asked a few ladies to join us, but they all had excuses ... what's up with that? Is dog meat macho?
We ordered 5 courses of dog meat -- hot pot (raw dog meat you put into a boiling pot to cook briefly), dog soup, stir-fried dog, dog chops, and grilled BBQ dog. I enjoyed the grilled dog best. Good tender prime cuts of doggy deliciousness!
Dog soup:
Dog hot pot (spicy-hot dog):
Grilled dog meat:
The other 3 gentlemen who joined me for the dog dinner all agreed the meat was delicious. It was their first time. You're probably curious, so yeah, we're all from countries other than China -- Italy, Australia, Malaysia, and USA. Each of us agreed we'd eat dog meat again.
We asked for details on the dogs we were eating, but all we could get was "they're big dogs." Judging from the amount of meat in the portions, one would assume they're big dogs. No idea what breed. Maybe a mutt? Anyone know which breed tastes best? Does it seem like I'm a lazy researcher? If you've ever had first-hand experience with waitstaff in Shanghai, you can't blame me...
In fact ... Our slightly neurotic waitress spilled an entire bowl of boiling hot dog soup into Mr. M's lap. Poor fellow smelled like dog all night after that, so probably didn't find a date, even at everyone's favorite meat market "Windows" bar. Lots of dogs there, but everyone scores.
Here's a list of recipes for dog meat. What do they mean by "digested dogmeat" in "Dogmeat cooky" ?? And wow, they have "Dogmeat cosmetics"...
Now, we're aware that some of our readers are offended by the culinary consumption of dogs. Is there a reason why you are offended, but not when someone eats a chicken or a cow? Is it because of the culture you come from? Some cultures forbid eating pigs, others cows. Pigs are intelligent animals at the top of the food chain, and can make good pets. And chickens are cute. So, what's your beef with eating dog?
Mr. J, a white boy, enjoying fresh cooked dog:
Yes, some Europeans eat dog. French. Swiss.
During the Olympics and World Cup Soccer in South Korea, there were protests (by foreigners mostly), and to save face, the government asked Koreans to avoid eating dog meat during the events. However, "Many people have argued that international organizations such as FIFA and PETA have no right to interfere with an ancient Korean custom, maintaining that the only difference between slaughtering a dog for food and slaughtering a cow or a pig or other animal is the culture in which it is done." [Wikipedia]
Here is an organization devoted to stopping dog meat consumption: Anti-Dog Meat Movement.
Most of the agruments against eating dog meat seem to focus on the poor, inhumane treatment of the dogs before they die, or how they are killed. I agree. That totally sucks. But how is that any different from how all the other animals-for-consumption are treated? And protesting dog meat consumption is a different issue than the bad treatment of dogs. I say protest the inhumane treatment of animals, all animals. Otherwise, let them eat dog.
The dog restaurant we ate at is at 290 Ziteng Lu, near Wuzhong Lu, Shanghai.
* Addition, July 2007 -- Looks like this post finally caused the controversy I expected it to -- and I mean expectated, not necessary "desired" -- although I think part of this whole project is to spark a dialog. Also, as I expected, I haven't seen what I'd consider a reasonable, factual, logical argument against eating dog. Some of the responses are comic -- I have an ugly evil face? Dogs are angels? Because it's illegal? -- keep'm coming folks! I am not necessarily pro-dog-eating, I just don't see any reason NOT to. And I certainly don't see any reason to force someone else not to.
Now here's additional questions to consider -- what do dogs eat? What do you dog lovers feed your pets? What happens to those animals, and how do they live and get slaughtered? Also, do you consider it cruel to feed dogs a vegan diet?
We've got a newer post about Dog Meat here.
posted by Michael @ 6:08 AM
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Is dog meat macho?
I don't know about Chinese or Korean culture, but in Vietnamese culture, yeah..dog meat is macho. In Vietnam, eating dog meat is usually eaten a male-bonding "let's drink a lot of beer and talk about titties" kinda situation. While women may sometimes eat it, it's still considered more of a "man" thing.
That was a doggone interesting post.Pun intended.
your sick
Here's another organization devoted to stopping dog meat consumption:
http://www.dogmeattrade.com/
AFAIK, dog meals have become a macho thing among Korean people. Female refusal to eat dog, I would say, has a lot to do with the modern, twisted, genuinely Asian obsession for feminine "cuteness" and all that dogcrap, as dogmeat is said to (I quote from some Koreans I met in Chengdu) "give you lots of energy and make your body hair grow stronger. And your dick too MWAHAHAH".
Having nothing against dogmeat consumption myself, I must say, though, that the article about French people eating dog plain SUCKS and doesn't help at all to the noble task of making a fool (the fool she is) out of BB.
As any functional adult would notice, all the references to dog-eating French people are related to FAMINE and WAR periods, more specifically, to the 1870 Prussian siege of Paris. Of course, the last two or three "pieces of evidence" ("people are said to eat dog somewhere...", "also it is said that some...", etc.) don't even deserve the least attention. Does the fact that under extreme conditions a group of Uruguayans and Chileans allegedly ate human meat turn Uruguayans and Chileans into human-meat-eaters?
Yes, but this is true for most weird meat ... started out as survival necessity, like spiders and raw cow blood in Cambodia during famine. In many cultures, the people continue to consume these foods even though the famine is over. I linked to the accounts of French and Swiss dog eaters -- but no I would not call Californians cannibals because of the Donner Party. I also wouldn't call all Koreans "dog-eaters" even though it's a common menu item.
I hope all of you that ate dogs. would all go to hell. I wish those poor dogs could come back in their next life time and eat the peoples that ate them!!!!
If there's ever animal in the world that should NOT EVER be eaten, that would be dogs. Please do think about which animal, statistically has ever served man in the way that dogs have throughout history. In every culture there would be stories of devoted dogs who sit by their master's grave till the end of the dogs' lives (Scotland, Tokyo, England). Alot of services today use dogs to help men- tracker dogs for rescue work, sniffer dogs for for collapsed buildings in earthquakes, police & army dogs who go in first to detect explosives, and most of all therapy dogs in hospitals, old age homes and hospices. Anyone who cannot see this is not a human. Anyone who brings in cultural relativism whenever there is protest about dogs in places like Korea is not human.
During Hurricane Katrina, I cried when I read of people who were forced to abandon their dogs. If I were in that situation, I would rather die together with my dog than to abandon him.
But ironically, there are cult practices and underground places that eat human flesh. Alot of these places in fact, don't need to kill the humans to eat their flesh. You can either mutilate yourself of another person just to taste human flesh.
So, let me ask you- will you do it? No killing of anyone, just cook a piece of someone, a slice of their flesh and eat it. Surely if you can EVEN CONTEMPLATE eating dogs, (who, I think are angels sent down from heaven to help man), you should be able to eat human flesh too. No killing of any humans. Just slice the flesh up of the one you love and cook it and eat it. You can even get a surgeon and put your loved one under anaethesia (sp?) to do so. Go on, go ahead. And report in your next installment of weirdmeat.
To me there is NO COMPROMISE when it comes to dogs.
But but... I'm a human and a dog is a dog, i.e. not a human. Dogs belong to a different species than humans demonstrated by the futility of trying to procreate with dogs, i.e. no viable offspring can be produced. Your argument about the value of dogs as companions throughout human history is valid but then you had to spoil it all by saying something stupid like... *analogy with cannabalism*.
That has to be one of the most ridiculous things i have ever heard - Firstly to compare eating an dog breed for meat and a piece of a live human. Haha... you muppet, whatever your into you psyco!!!
Secondly, you would rather have died in Katrina than have saved yourself and left your dog to die....? And you cried about peoples dogs dying..?! What about the people who died!? I guess they were just a little unfortunate, it was the poor dogs left by their neglecting owners that we should really be worried about right!? You really are a clown.
Finally if all dogs are angels sent from heaven pls explain this to me - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/merseyside/6222319.stm
I'm not in favour of eating dogs but neigher am I in favour of deciding for another culture that they are no longer entitled to eat a meal ("angels" sent from heaven or not) they have eaten for thousands of years.
Would be grateful if you could reply and admit your stupidity and insensitivity to everyone who was unfortunate enough to have read all that crap you wrote.
u dawggg, I have yet to try the real dog meat here in So Cal, I had some immitation ones though..eergh, cheers :)
Save Man's Best Friend from the Dog Meat Trade - Say YES to House Bill 2991
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/879609320
please visit and sign to help stop the dog meat trade in the Philippines. Those who sign will be supporting a House Bill currently pending in Congress to impose stiffer penalties against the dog meat traders. It is urgent that we obtain, at a minimum, 50,000 signatures by April 30, 2007. Elections will be held in the Philippines in May 2007, and we want to place an international spotlight and global pressure on the country and its government.
The dog meat trade, once regarded as an infrequent religious practice, has become a commercialized industry that kills over 500,000 dogs a year! Although dog meat is not eaten by the majority of the Filipino citizens, it is considered a delicacy to certain areas of the country. The handling, treatment and act of violence to secure and sell dog meat is unimaginable and not for the faint of heart.
Once we obtain the necessary signatures, we will be coordinating with others in the Philippines to bring media attention to the petition and the dog meat trade before the elections on May 14, 2007.
It is our hope that this community can rally together and sign the petition. We ask everyone to sign the petition, post in groups, e-mail friends and create the international public awareness needed to stop this practice. Thank you.
Sincerely,
www.DOGMEATTRADE.com
Sounds yummy.
Btw, I own a chicken (really), I love my chicken, can you sign my petition to ban the sale of chicken meat? It's barbaric!
www.savethechickens.org
I'd rather die than loose my chicken, his name is Frankie.
Huh. Personally, I don't think I could ever eat dog. I've got problems with eating things that I consider "cute." Eels, dogs, cats, snakes, etc. I can't eat any of those.
However, after having helped my cousinw ith his farm many times, I have learned that cows are nasty, evil creatures. So are chickens. Every burger or chicken strip I eat is an act of vengeance against those damned things.
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I completely agree that dogs in general have proven their loyalty, devotion and service to Man in countless ways throughout history all over the world. Anyone who eats dogs betrays Man's best friend in the worst way imagineable and should never be trusted alone with another human. A dog eater is a sick human that would not think twice about eating live flesh or killing another human simply to fill his gut or the largest dark and ugly hole in the middle of his face. One can only hope that someday sick humans like you will choke to death.
To those of you insulting this post:
Dog meat is common in many cultures, and many people eat it. He is not the only person. If you want to stop people from eating dog meat, sign the petition. He even provided one for you. You should stop talking and start taking action.
I am against eating dog meat, and cat, snake, horse, and hamsters/guinea pigs...
Of course, you can't tell me its no different than eating cows and pigs, because I am well aware of that. I am vegetarian. Of course, that gives no reason to 'hate' or wish harmful things upon those who eat meat.
And keep in mind, you never know until you try it. It is the same thing as trying to stop cultures eating other animals, or Americans to stop eating cow, or Japanese to stop drinking sake.
I promise that the world isn't going to end every time a person eats an animal. Take a deep breath, calm down, and think. Before you post.
(cont. from above) One more thing...
Cannibalism is one eating his/hers own species. Human and dogs are not the same species. Those of you who think that are the sick ones, canines and people do not breed. They do not communicate efficiently. A dog can't take over your business, or rule a country. Eating dogs is different than eating people. If you think those are the same, you are a sad sad person. And don't even start going off on me, because there wasn't a year in my life I went without a pet. Currently I have 4 well trained happy dogs. That are never going in anyones mouth as long as I can help it. ^_^ Cultures are different so come to accept that. Some things that you eat may be disgustful and hell controlled!- to other people.
Cannibalism is a common practice in some cultures...
People who are anti-dog eating have waaaayyyyy too much time on their hands. Only people who have never in their miserable fat lives gone hungry worry about such crap as this.
Eat more dog! Save Chickens!
I just got back from Korea. I had some really good dog meat while I was there. I would take it over beef any day! I wish I knew were to get some good dog meat back here in the USA. By the way - my wife said I was huge (if you know what I mean) when I got home. So I think it is true about what they say, "Its good for man's vitality."
...nay sayers should really try dog meat 1st before they make so much noise against it. If they knew how good dog tastes they would probably eat their own dog when no one is looking. Just kidding, its probably not cool to eat your pet dog.
I am shocked at all the people that gave you crap about this. How many devout Hindus would come to the US and be shocked and appaled to see people eating there sacred animal?!
Good for you for looking at a bigger world view. Though I dont' know I could stomach it unless starving. Having been too close to too many dogs. Still...........BRAVO!
I love the cannibal post. This person is so stupid that they think eating a dog is cannibalism. Now if I ate my neighbors leg :-) then that would be cannibalism. The bigger question is whether or not I should use soy sauce on a human.
That is amazingly awesome...I want to try some and I'm a female!I like to try different kinds of food and all of you people who think its wrong can stop worrying about it and live your life and eat some dog!
I think that's all a matter of culture...
in some places, dogs are pets, other places they are a meal and others they are pets and meals... just like fish, chicken and cow...
tehre is no difference between dog meat and cow meat!! nor is there a difference between the way they are brutally treated before they die!! THATS WHY WE SHOULD ALL BE VEGANS!! =)i hate meat but i love your site though!
I am an animal lover and more than most people I have had to deal with animal cruelty, afterall I have worked with animals for over 6 years so I have seen my fair share of cruelty cases. However I firmly believe that rather than thinking the killing and eating (and to be honest the using of animal products) is cruel perhaps we should be more concerned at the way the keeping and slaughter is carried out. After all if an animal has had a good quality of life (no matter how short) then killed humanely how can this be cruel, every living thing has to eventually die. Also why is it acceptable in our culture to eat pigs, chickens and cows? Perhaps it is because over time we have grown used to the fact these animals have been used for meat, is this not the same for Koreans (and other countires) regarding dog meat. I believe that for the dog meat (and even furr trade) perhaps people are (pardon the pun) barking up the wrong tree and instead forgetting that there will always be a demand, so rather than putting a stop to this trade lets try and make it as humane as possible. I think it is completely unfair to make other cultures change their food habits, think of how many Americans that would be up in arms if McDonalds and TacoBell were to be banned because of another Country believing it is not suitable food.
I'm against eating an animal which has suffered because of one's dietary likings.
Dogs and cats are often beaten to death, skinned alive, or thrown fully conscious in a boiling water. ( China has no animal welfare law. ) See for yourselves : http://www.all-creatures.org/anex/dog.html
( And for that matter, I don't eat any meat. )
In China dog meat doesn't appear to have the macho thing going. My wife got a half of a dog (huge beast -- I'd guess some kind of Alsatian) as a Spring Festival gift from a considerate student. (We also got half a goat.) She and my mother-in-law were happy to get the dog and my mother-in-law cooked it up into a hotpot pretty quickly.
Dog meat tastes really good. I like it better than beef. As for the anti-dog-meat types? I really wish I could present my ass over the 'Web so you could kiss it.
haha you are all sickos just for being in this blog...yes including me.
I don't have a problem with other people eating dog meat where it's customary and legal, but the fact that you ate dog meat in California, where it is NOT legal, makes you a criminal.
I don't know how you could possible engulf a creature that you know is typically a kind and loyal friend to the human being. Some dogs even possess human like qualities.... they're always wagging their tails and baying for their masters... how could you be so sick as to do this?
If you eat dogs, you are sick and twisted. I don't care if it's legal in certain countries or not. It is still sick and wrong. I would hope anyone who would do such a thing would NOT ever own a dog as a pet. You disgust me.
To say that the consumption of dog meat and the inhumanity and cruelness of the dogs death are two different things is WRONG!! its like saying you look at CHILD PORN but you're not as bad because you never took the photos. ITS THE SAME THING YOU IDIOT. Its not part of koreas culture to eat dog meat, they only started eating in around 60 years ago during food shortage and WW2 and most koreans dont eat it. Anyway the point is the way these dogs are killed for you're stupid consumption is disgusting, I can tolorate this sort of thing to a bare minimum IF the dogs had been bred and farmed in an acceptable humane manner but what the F%&*K!! these people skin dogs alive for some insane reason, hang them from trees and bridges, hooks through their chin hung up and and ripped open all in the name of better tasting meat because these idiots think it will taste better. Who's gonna tell them it makes not difference. You wouldnt stand and watch you're neighbour who's invited you over for a meal that night prepare dog meat dinner in that manner and then enjoy the meal would you? Anyway all I can say about you mate is...youre an ignorant idiot keep you're eating habits to yourself and dont offend people like myself who has respect for man's best friend.
Its bad when he eats dogs but its ok when he eats cows? I don't get it...
it doesnt matter if you do have a problem with it`
what is done is done and will continue to be done regardless of your small minded opinions
ethnocentrism: process of judging another culture by the standards of your own
in other words, you can't understand the traditions, culture, and the way of life bc you don't live there
and that definitely doesn't give anyone a right to judge..
you have the choice not to follow or agree with what other people do
but you dont have the right to judge if it's right or wrong
i love this blog
as an American, i find the practice of eating dogs disgusting and morally reprehensible.
Dogs have been our companions, helpers, and family for millenia. They haven't been bred for agricultural purposes, they have been bred to aid us, comfort us, protect us. They're more loyal and loving than our fellow human beings.
Thats why it seems so repulsive. How readily would you eat a family member?
RE:STELLIE
it doesnt matter if you do have a problem with it`-YES IT DOES
what is done is done and will continue to be done regardless of your small minded opinions -SO? AND YOUR POINT BEING...? EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO THEIR OPINION THATS WHAT THIS BLOGS FOR.
ethnocentrism: process of judging another culture by the standards of your own - WHAT DO YOU MEAN? EVERY BEING ON THIS EARTH UNDERSTANDS THAT TORTURE INFLICTED ON ANY OTHER BEING IS A BAD AND WRONG THING AND IF THEY DONT THEN THEY ARE A CULTURE THAT IS NOT WORTH RESPECTING, WOULD YOU SAY THAT ABOUT HITLER AND NAZI GERMANY? THEY BELIEVED WHAT THEY WAS DOING WAS RIGHT AT THE TIME (Through propaganda might I add) YET HUMAN INSTINCT IN ANY CULTURE AND GERMANY TODAY AS WE KNOW IT KNOWS OTHERWISE AND WOULDNT ACCEPT THAT.
in other words, you can't understand the traditions, culture, and the way of life bc you don't live there. -EATING DOG MEAT IS NOT A TRADITION IN SOUTH KOREA NEITHER IS THE WAY THE DOGS ARE KILLED (which is the main issue I have wth this)ITS A MYTH AND MISCONCEPTION
and that definitely doesn't give anyone a right to judge..MOST PEOPLE ON THIS BLOG ARE NOT JUDGING A CULTURE ANYHOW DUH..THEY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE UNESSACARY VIOLENCE IN WHICH THE DOGS ARE KILLED.
you have the choice not to follow or agree with what other people do
but you dont have the right to judge if it's right or wrong. ITS HUMAN NATURE TO NOT AGREE WITH TORTURE MURDER AND BRUTALLITY. DO YOU AGREE WITH IT? ARE YOU SADISTIC OR SUMTHIN?
ARE YOU A DO-GOODER UNI STUDENT STUDYING SOCIOLOGY OR SUMTHIN? BET YOU ARE AND IF YOU ARE I GOT SOMTHING TO SAY TO YOU...I RESPECT EVERY CULTURE ON THIS EARTH I DONT ALWAYS HAVE TO AGREE WITH CERTAIN ASPECTS OF IT. IF YOU SOLD YOUR PET DOG TO A KOREAN KNOWING FULL WELL HE WAS GONNA SKIN THE POOR THING ALIVE WOULD YOU SAY 'WELL ITS THEIR CULTURE, GOTTA RESPECT THAT'?
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Michael T. Richter said...
In China dog meat doesn't appear to have the macho thing going. My wife got a half of a dog (huge beast -- I'd guess some kind of Alsatian) as a Spring Festival gift from a considerate student. (We also got half a goat.) She and my mother-in-law were happy to get the dog and my mother-in-law cooked it up into a hotpot pretty quickly.
Dog meat tastes really good. I like it better than beef. As for the anti-dog-meat types? I really wish I could present my ass over the 'Web so you could kiss it.
OK FIRST OF ALL YOU ARE ONLY ACCEPTING THIS BECAUSE YOU MARRIED A DOG EATER.
COULD YOU SKIN A DOG ALIVE? BLUDGEON IT TO DEATH OR JUST STAB IT AND RIP ITS INSIDES OUT WHILE STILL ALIVE? I'D LIKE TO HAVE SEEN YOU MURDER THAT DOG YOU ATE IN THE MANNER IT WOULD HAVE BEEN KILLED. YOU WOULDNT HAVE DONE IT. YOU CAN TALK THE TALK BUT CAN YOU WALK THE WALK? -I DOUBT IT
MY FATHER WAS A SLAUGHTERMAN, WE LIVED ON A FARM AND I WOULD SOMETIMES WATCH MY FATHER KILL A SHEEP FOR OUR OWN CONSUMPTION, I EVEN WOULD HELP CARRY DEAD BABY LAMBS FROM A EWE'S STOMACH AND BURY THEM. I STARTED DOIN THIS AT 5.
POINT IS, MY FATHER ALWAYS LOOKED AFTER ANY ANIMAL HE FARMED AND HE TAUGHT ME TO KILL THEM SWIFTLY SO THE ANIMAL WOULD NOT BE IN PAIN AND WITH AS MUCH RESPECT AS POSSIBLE AFTER ALL THAT ANIMAL IS PROVIDING US WITH FOOD.
I AM USED TO ANIMALS BEING SLAUGHTERED BUT TO SEE THE CARNAGE AND VIOLENCE IN THE WAY THEM DOGS ARE FARMED AND 'MURDERED' IS DISGUSTING, ITS NOT A CUSTOM TO KILL THEM IN THIS WAY AND THE PEOPLE WHO DO THIS ARE NOT CAVEMEN -YET THEY ACT LIKE IT. WE LIVE IN A CIVILIZED WORLD THERE IS NO NEED FOR IT. KOREANS CHINESE FILIPINO'S ALIKE UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF TORTURE, PAIN AND VIOLENCE. THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE INFLICTING ON THESE SPECIAL ANIMALS WHEN THEY KILL THEM -THEY ARE NOT UNAWARE. EVERY BEING ON THIS EARTH EVEN THE DOGS KNOW THAT IT IS VIOLENCE AND THIS IS THE ASPECT OF THIS DEBATE AND IF YOU UNAWARE OF THAT THEN YOUR DUMBER THAN I THOUGHT.
"I might disagree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." Voltaire ...
btw...dog's naturally are not for human consumption...read on
Veterinarian Dr. Arturo Pangan Tuesday warned the public about the deadly diseases that may be transmitted through eating dog meat.
Pangan warned that eating dog meat might not only cause rabies. "Eating dog meat may cause anthrax, hepatitis, leptospirosis (through the urine), and internal parasites."
He added that vrucellosis, a virus that causes abortion in both human and animals, might also be contracted through eating dog meat, especially stray ones.
"However, the most dangerous are the E. Coli 107 virus and the salmonella virus, most common in contaminated meat," he said.
Meanwhile, Dr. Roberto Umali, regional director of the National Meat Inspection Commission, also stressed that dog meat is inedible because of high risks of catching many diseases that are present in dog meat and not in cattle poultry and pork.
AND WHO SAYS EATING DOG MEAT IS OK?
A BLOODY FOOL, THATS WHAT I SAY - YOU MAY AS WELL GO EAT RAW SEWAGE OUT OF YOUR TOILET. YUMMY
Just a reply and comment to the young lady Stellie she said:
'ethnocentrism: process of judging another culture by the standards of your own '
in regards to eating dog meat in a few asian countries and the means they use to slaughter these anumals. I assume your assumption is based on relative moralism. This behavior is absolute moralism - its is wrong and its is every humans right to disagree with this behavior. In certain countries parents can murder their daughters if they refuse to be forced to marry and are killed for violation of their custom.
I assume you think this type of behavior is correct along with the lines of ethnocentrism.
ok humans and animals are different, humans are the most itelligent species, but does that give us the right to act out such atrocities on another being?
It does not matter where you live in the world, every person on this earth has a right to feel outraged by this type violence regardless of the law that governs the land in which the atrocities are carried out.
If you were to do your homework like a good little student girl you are and read the facts about this behavior you would understand that this practice has no long cultural history in many of the countries where its happening is illegal and is practised by a small minority of people - the majority of these populations do nott agree with it.
So you may as well be backing up Al Queda, the comparison is the same. A small minority of a larger population practicing immoral behavior.
and just to add to the above comment I made, it's all about the slaughter of these animals and the inhummane manner in which they are carried out. By all means eat dog if they must (not that I agree) but do it as hummanly as possible is the key debate in this issue.
Also just another add on there (i've got alot to say but I'll keep it as short as possible)
Stellie also said
"you have the choice not to follow or agree with what other people do
but you dont have the right to judge if it's right or wrong"
Ok you must be looking at this from a christian point of view/angle i.e judge not least ye be judged yourself.
I am a christian myself btw - god gave us the knowledge of the difference between right and wrong to know the difference would be to judge it. You have to have some sort of judgement to understand the difference. I thinks its wrong to commit an act of violence on any being because god gave me that knowledge. I am not judgeing on a personal level but on the aspect of the act itself.
as much as these people relish the slaughter and consumption of dogs..I would relish in the slaughter of my fellow man that would commit such an act..does this make me an evil person?..if so..I welcome the criticism...
I dont believe that being a civilized person and not a hypocrite you would do such a thing. For you would be just as evil as those who inflict this disgusting behaviour.
Dogs are stupid animals who's instincts become manipulated. They are in no way independent, and can't survive alone in the wild. Their morons. It's cats that're sad when eatn'. Independent, acknowledging, and very self-expressive. Fuck dogs, and fuck dog owners that get get over their million to one stupid dog.
i am trying to be objective here
i understand why those would have a problem with eating certain animals
but my point is that different socieities do not view those animals with the labels given by western culture
for example,
you may say a dog is a family member, loyal companion
but there ARE others who have different opinions
to them a dog can be comsumed for medical beliefs, or the meat is no different than from other animals
by which i mention ethnocentrism
you are judging other practices by what you belive is right (your standard)
so, yes i know eating a dog is not a tradition
you've taken what i posted too literary
i guess to my mistake, i assumed my post was just to give a different outlook
however,
i doubt you will ever admit to understand my point of view
bc you are too narrow minded to acknowledge other opinions but your own
and yes you do NOT have the right to judge on anything whether it is what people eat to who they are
a do-gooder student?
give me a break
i wish i could keep rambling and dish out more crap to go against waht you wrote
but i come to this blog to laugh and read about the guy's experiences with food
and i rather do that
-stellie
Re: Stellie
i understand why those would have a problem with eating certain animals
but my point is that different socieities do not view those animals with the labels given by western culture
SORRY ITS NOT THEIR CONCEPT OF THE ANIMAL I AM TALKING ABOUT, ITS THE CRUELTY THATS INFLICTED ON THE ANIMAL - DID YOU NOT GET THAT OR SOMETHING?
for example,
you may say a dog is a family member, loyal companion
but there ARE others who have different opinions
to them a dog can be comsumed for medical beliefs, or the meat is no different than from other animals
YES FINE, NO PROBS - BUT AGAIN ITS THE CRUELTY.
by which i mention ethnocentrism
you are judging other practices by what you belive is right (your standard) ONE QUESTION - DO YOU CONDONE MUSLIM EXTREMISTS BEHAVIOUR? OR DO YOU THINK ITS OK BECAUSE ITS PART OF THEIR PRACTICES? GIVE ME A BREAK DONT BE A HYPOCRITE DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THE ASPCA OR RSPCA SHOULD BE NON-EXISTINT BECAUSE THEY ARE INFRINGING ON OTHER PEOPLES PARCTICES OR BELIEFS WHEN THEY ARE CRUEL TO AN ANIMAL? - THESE ARE HUGE ORGANIZATIONS I WONDER ON WHAT GROUNDS THEY GOT WHERE THEY ARE TODAY ON IF BY YOUR STANDARDS THEY ARE WRONG TO DO THAT?
so, yes i know eating a dog is not a tradition
you've taken what i posted too literary
i guess to my mistake, i assumed my post was just to give a different outlook HOW DID I TAKE THAT LITERARY?
however,
i doubt you will ever admit to understand my point of view
bc you are too narrow minded to acknowledge other opinions but your own. SO ANYONE WHO DEBATES ISSUES IS NARROW MINDED...OK ALSO LOOK WHO'S JUDGING WHO NOW? HYPCRITE,
and yes you do NOT have the right to judge on anything whether it is what people eat to who they are
READ ABOVE, ENOUGH SAID.AND WHO THE HELL WAS I JUDGING?
i wish i could keep rambling and dish out more crap to go against waht you wrote
LIKE WHAT? THAT I AM WRONG TO BELIEVE CRUELTY AND TORTURE IS WRONG? I AM WRONG TO EXPRESS MY CONCERN ABOUT THE ISSUE. NOBODY IS JUDGING ANYONE HERE ITS A CONCERN FOR THE ANIMAL TO BE TREATED HUMANLY IF THEY EAT IT OR NOT - ANY ANIMAL, DONT YOU GET UNDERSTAND THAT AT LEAST?
but i come to this blog to laugh and read about the guy's experiences with food
and i rather do that
DO THAT THEN, IM NOT LAUGHING THOUGH, NOT AT THE WAY THAT MEAT HE ATE WAS KILLED.
yeah you got double standards aright.
I have'nt really seen any post judging any cultures on their traditon. I agree with above, its not very humane to kill an animal that way.
I think Stella is a bigot I think the others are tolerant of others opinions but disagree with the practises, but Stella is just being a bigot - the world needs people to speak out against things that are wrong. Thats not being judgemental or a bigot - its just trying to get a message across.
Keep up the good work- whomever you are, the world needs more people that are'nt so PC mad.
All that looks pretty good! I think the only thing you ate that I wouldn't eat are all the bugs. I'm a big, fat pussy and I'm terrified of bugs, why would I want to put that in my mouth?
By looking at the features of faces and eyes of such 'gentlemen' (my ass) i can see only frustration and evilness:
ugly, pervert, putrid souls that have fun 'breaking the rules' like traumatized unloved half men (macho).
Just one question: - Is you life worth living?
Although i would not wish pain and death to my worst enemy, i could wish that to you, but a slow one, like what
experienced by those slices of 'weird meat' you ate with such fantasy and delight.
i wish you could see the pictures i have on hands of those creatures before you ate them, you'd probably go
throw up, and maybe some of the repressed embedded 'common sense' you might still have (hard) would
finally come up. Yours and that of the assholes like you that consume eat without knowing, or even worse
knowing. By the way, there is no dog meat that hasn't been butchered in horrifying ways. You eat that, you have
horror in you.
First of all, Mr. or Ms. Caps Lock up there... (http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/e/e1/Thatsmaddoxcaps1.JPG)
People, you cannot compare killing your daughters and eating dog meat as the same thing. People are sentient beings; dogs are not.
Why is eating dog meat wrong? Can someone here prove it to me? So far I see emotional arguments (It's SICK! AHH!!!), Orientalist argument (Dogs have been companion animal since the beginning of time(... Yeah, in Europe maybe)), and Red Herrings (Dog meat industry is so cruel! (And? That's an argument against how dogs are treated before slaughter. What about dog meat consumption itself?).
Unless you subscribe to the Vegetarian/Vegan view (and if you are, thank you for judging the rest of us with an ideology you cannot possibly prove with logic), eating dog is no different than eating any animals.
For someone up there who claimed eating dogs is not traditional:
http://www.china.org.cn/english/imperial/25995.htm
If you are talking Korean tradition exclusively, what is your proof?
I've been reading your site for some time and am always fascinated by all the strange meats you find. I do admit, I could never ever bring myself to eat some of those things, but I admire your courage! : )
I really don't understand why this post has created so much controversy...Sure, it is dog meat. But you have also written about chick embroyos, birds, and horse meat. Animals which can all be just as attached to humans as dogs.
I wish people would take a step back and look at what they are saying...We consume cows, chickens, and pigs on a daily basis. Hundreds upon thousands are slaughtered daily, and they're cute too, no?
"But they're bred for that! They don't understand human interaction!" Ok...couldn't dogs be bred for consumption then? Just like cows? If you're going to be writing a rant about the eating of dogs, when its been a traditional custom in that country forever, to all those people, I suggest you start writing rants to your favourite fast food resturants as well. Cows are sacred to hindus, right? Yet...we put them to grinders and chop them all up seeing them as just a mere food source.
Think people, use your mind! Eat your goddamn food, and stop worrying about what the man eats! If you're so worried about consuming animals, fry up a toddler, I'm sure it'd be just as tasty. : )
Bum from Korea - Eating dog does not come from some big line of tradition moron and your link is dead. Also you miss the great big whole f$%king point of my rant (im ms capslock)IT IS the way they are killed I have a problem with - jesus you people just miss the point intirely, you know you cant argue with that so you sidetrack it. I dont care if they eat sh!T, cows, pigs, sheep or dog. Its a question of human nature when they know they inflict pain onto another being for no good reason. I cant see why you dont understand that. Its pathetic. Its sadistic and its immoral, I dont care if asian cultures who eat dog have diffrent morals to our own, they know when they inflict pain on a being , every culture understands torture is bad and painful its not as if they are unaware they are inflicting painful torture on the animal with the way they kill them - and I dont give a damn what anyone says otherwise -its a evil act to inflict that on anyone or any being Im not judgeing anyone or any culture- Im just not condoning a certain BEHAVIOUR, your such a bunch of thicko - I have a high level of intelligence and Im not going to waste my time on idiots that cant see the point.
Goodbye
Okay, people need to chill out. Different cultures eat different things. GET OVER IT. I'd be more concerned with how the animals are being treated than how they are being served up.
because seriously, it's VERY hypocritical to say no to dog, but yes to cow (beef).
Blah.
tracy, love...thats the point I've been trying to make....now Im really pi$$ed! your not really listening are you lot? This is what I freaking mean.....
Dogs would eat human if you fed it to them so why not eat dog
Um, Anonymous i'm not listening, I'm reading. And i know thats what you've been saying. i'm just making a simpler statement :P
There's no need to be pissed over nothing. =/
sorry tracey, what I meant was I originaly made a comment on how the dogs were killed for their meat - I was'nt being funny just that I personally didnt agree that it was the proper way, but then you get supposed 'do gooders' coming on saying I was judging other peoples cultures, I was narrow minded etc etc...Im just peed off that theres a selected few on here who seem to want to brand animal friendly people like myself as narrow minded idiots who cant see beyond themselves - all this 'you gotta respect other peoples culture' and stuff just annoys me. I dont have to respect or accept anything - I can however,tolerate it which I do. I dont tolerate torture tho.
Its not about culture or that Im against actual consumption of dog meat - my whole point was it would be more acceptable to eat it if the dogs were slaughtered properly.
I watched a doco a while ago where a guy is undercover in china and videos the slaughter of these dogs...I have seen plenty of animal blood and guts in my time but this was just painful to watch. them dogs knew their fate - it was like they were pleaing with them to stop - the guy was skinning the dog alive, and I swear I have never seen or heard anything so evil in my life. it was fucking evil, it made me sick to my stomach. It upsets me very much and if half of you idiots who critisize me, out there had seen this or could have been there when this was happening - you would feel exactly the same way I do. You just are obviously to narrow minded yourselves.
to all you misinformed dickheads who think it's funny to chat about eating dogmeat and making jokes about it, I'll just leave you lot to wallow in your own shit. why dont you talk about the halocaust and have a laugh about that well your at it, its the same thing - suffering and torture - you may want that shit in your world but I dont want it in mine. fucking nazis
'Anonymous said...
Dogs would eat human if you fed it to them so why not eat dog '
ok....what a fucking moronic thing to say. Helloooooo.....the lights are on but there definatly aint no one home......Im not even gonna explain that one, cant you fgure that one out for yourself? what a fucking loser
also some other dickhead futher up posted this
Jasmine said...
Its bad when he eats dogs but its ok when he eats cows? I don't get it...
Ahhhh...I dont get it??......my fucking god, what a complete and utter wanker. Duuuuhhhhhh.....I dont get it...whats the difference???? honestly what a waste of space fucking educate yourselfe..read a fucking book for fucks sake...my 8 year old son knows the difference.
Do you want to know what the difference is einstein?....I'll tell you when you grow a brain
Yes I know....it'll be a long wait.
"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
-Ghandi
People wont stop eating meat, but we can regulate how we treat the animals before they die.
Dogs get:
-starved
-deprived of water
-forced to live in their own filth
-deprived of attention and compamy
-collars that are never adjusted and thus embedded into their throats
-beaten
-given no shelter in cold and rain
-tide on such short ropes they cant walk at all
-inhumanly slaughtered
-put in cages either with too many other dogs living in each others waste
-or in cages where they cant even lift their head
-2006- 52 dogs were burried alive in an attempt to smuggle them from China to Korea to be sold as dog meat
No creature deserves such treatment.
They arent the only animals treated this way.
However, since dogs are the topic, dont forget that eating a dog is supporting their torture and mistreatment.
Also, people were wondering what kind of dogs are eaten...all of them: labrador retrievers, golden retrievers, chows, saint bernards, terriers, etc.
These dogs could be put to much better use either working or as pets. They have alot to offer humanity beside being tortured and killed.
Dogs are able to learn and communicate, the essence of intelligence. To say that we are more intelligent, and thus they should be eaten because they are less intelligent, would be to say that we have the right to eat mentally challenged people or young undeveloped children.
There is an error of judgment that is made when deciding to ignore the facts that surround the lives we have created not only for ourselves but for the animals that we have chosen to domesticate. Humans made dogs dependent on them by domesticating them long ago, making them our responsibility to care for today. We cannot purposely change an animal, breed them for certain tasks, cause them to lose their instincts, and then leave them to die without remorse.
The ability to think through decisions and chose right from wrong is what seperates human from beast...those of you with no conscience to do so are below the creatures you torture and kill.
here! here! that is the most intelligent thing I have heard anybody say.
Shame on me for getting so angry and not being able to focus on getting the message across as well as the poster above.
Well done, its an intelligent response and a wise one. I just wish people would understand that and not be so ignorant as to just 'accept' this behavior as being a cultural one.
We don't have to accept anything that is as cruel as this. Its not being racist or intollerant.
It's being moral and just, its being humane and civilized, its being intollerant of evil deeds.
if you had a pet dog and one day its gone, beaten to death for its tender meat and served up on someone else's plate, then you know how it feels.
The other night my wife and I were taking to a fancy restaurant in Guangdong Province, by the wealthy parents of one of my 1st-grade students. When we asked about a mystery meat that probably was dog chops, the family told us it was pork and had a little laugh among themselves. Frankly, we didn't want to know the answer because then we may have acted repulsed and caused our generous host to lose face. The meat was dark, with an excellent rub of spices. I'd eat it again, even though I've kept many fine pooches as pets. Detractors should keep in mind that dog meat is an expensive delicacy and your host is honoring you by serving you gou rou. Thanks for keeping this blog, and please, if you can, post a pic of dog chops so we can verify that we truly were dogged in Humen Town.
FUCK CHINA FOR KILLING DOGS, I JUST SEEN A VIDEO ON YOUTUBE ABOUT THEM SKINNING DOGS ALIVE AND THEM LAUGHING ABOUT IT, I SEEN SOME CHINA FUCK SQUISH SOME DOGS HEAD JUST TO KILL IT AND IT WE STILL ALIVE, FUCK CHINA AND ITS CUSTEMS, THE ALL NEED TO GO TO HELL!!!!
well i dunno the bred of the bog but i can tell you that they are indeed big dogs. I, personally, have never tried a dog before but my mom tells me that they're more of a wolf breed than a dog. and yes they do tie the dog upside down and beat the living crap out of it cuse it tenderizes the meat and it releases a hormone in the meat the makes it tastier.. strange.. i think not!
The reason is disgusting to eat dog is that a dog is a carnivore.
Humans only eat animals that are herbivores most of the time. (excepting the pig, who is an omnivore)
I'm hungry now...
Obviously a person's on dodgy ground as a carnivore when they start to suggest some meat is morally permissible and some ain't, just because; but it's equally dodgy and awfully smug to pull the whole "you just think dogs are cuter than cows, you massive hypocrite" non-argument. Idiots who think doggies are angels sent to earth just seem to prove it, but... no.
There are perfectly valid reasons to consider the consumption of dog immoral. Culture is the first one - some of us grew up in a culture where dogs are companions, and so obviously the thought of eating the is repugnant to us. Does that make us somehow ridiculous or invalidate our view from the start? I think it's valid even when you are bright enough to take a step back and look at it dispassionately, and examine yourself for hypocrisy. Most of us have some hypocrisy most of the time - it's impossible to align absolutely all your beliefs in that sense, unless you're an especially hardcore Buddhist, I'd think.
Of course I understand that the meat I consume was once a living thing that wasn't all that happy about being killed for food, but the mistreatment of dogs that end up as a novelty dish (well, isn't it? And so what if it's a 'great honour', guy? They didn't exactly honour you by lying about what you were eating to your face, and laughing at you, did they? Sorry, but fuck all that) is in a different category. There ARE different categories and grey areas with these things - it's no good suddenly pretending we all live by moral absolutes.
Yes, dogs are carnivores themselves and are not edible in the same sense that prey animals are, there's very little meat on them; they are mistreated very badly and they are killed in the most sadistic fashion. The halal throat slit 'n' drain method looks like gentle euthanasia by comparison. If the meat was even worth eating they wouldn't need to 'tenderise' it, would they? It's bullshit, just like the consumption of all sorts of animals is bullshit - I have no problem with animals being killed for food, but I have a moral line, and some methods and some species fall on the wrong side of it for me because it's exploitation and cruelty rather than necessity and unavoidable unpleasantness.
I'm sure I don't always stick to the line and I'm sure I've eaten chickens that weren't zapped right and were still flapping long after they should have been dead, but you've got to have a line that you try to stick to, that you keep in mind - you think we should just throw it away as soon as we come up against something challenging?
I mean, please, spare the high-and-mighty "well LOOK AT YOURSELVES before you judge ME for eating dog, you weak sentimental fools" crap. It's just not good enough. If you can't come up with a good reason not to eat dog meat, fine, that's your choice, but you're not really in any position to look down on people who do find reason not to. Unless they are clearly idiots - but thinking dog meat isn't a good thing doesn't automatically make you one of those, k? K.
As as aside, I wonder if you'd have any qualms about eating an endangered species. That would really require some commitment to the moral code you've constructed when it comes to what you eat.
Here's a slightly different take on the whole dog meat issue...
When in S.E.Asia I have eaten quite a few "alternative" things (including soft-shelled turtle, which was by far the worst). I didn't get offered dog meat, but it was available if I went looking for it. So I made the choice that I didn't want to have a dog slaughtered for me, but I would eat it, if it were offered.
My wife, however has eaten dog's liver, when she was a young girl in Thailand. She tells me that it was very strongly flavoured, but perfectly tasty. However, she did say that it left a nasty aftertaste and that the dogs in her village barked & growled at her until the aftertaste had gone.
Who knows what they could smell?
And yes, despite being a dog lover, I would still give it a try.
This is a smessage for Emily who wrote a few posts up -
The fact that your mother has told you that the dog gets beaten to realease hormones to tenderise the meat, is the very reason this cruelty is still happening - ITS A MISCONCEPTION AND YOU HAVE TO BE A HALFWIT TO BELIEVE IT. why not just kill the animal humanely then tenderise the meat like any other then? Only an idiot would believe that and accept it.
Generally Im against eating dog meat, with the Exception of Mastiffs and Mastiff-like dogs: pitbulls, bulldogs, boxers,rottweilers,bullmastiffs(YUM!).
I have to say that I personally wouldn't eat dog meat BUT this is a blog about someones travels around the world, and the strange meats he finds there, I wouldn't think that he deserves the vitriol that has been meted out to him.
If you don't want to read about someone eating things that you might have a problem with then you shouldn't read the blog.
If you just come here to spout hatred and unfair personal attacks then perhaps you should find another outlet for this.
The slaughter of dogs might be cruel but as others have pointed out more eloquently before me, there is very little difference between this and say killing animals so they are kosher.
Regardless of your views on the practice of eating animals at all (or dogs in particular) NOBODY deserves to be on the recieving end of personal attacks like there have been. Also comparing this to cannabalism just nullifies your argument totally and makes you look a fool.
Debbie
I am an animal lover, and could never even think of eating a dog. But, in some cultures, people have been raised to think it is alright. No matter how much you tell them to stop, they wont because its as common as us americas eating pork chops.
Those who have actually ventured out to try dog meat have added to the crisis according to "supply and demand" tactics. All of you can go to hell as you are all sick mother-fuckers!
I Haven't read all the comments but has anyone pointed out it might not be so great to eat dogs because they eat poo and lick their own genitals?
I think eating dogs or cats just like eating the "walking" meat. I love dogs, and I can